Yet another piece of common sense in 360's favor

macmutt · 09-23-2007, 03:02 AM

Even though i'm a Mac person myself we all know the majority of the world uses PC's with Microsoft Windows, especially game developers, now since Microsoft uses almost the same hardware architecture in the 360 as used in PC's, it just stands to reason that not only will the 360 tend to get alot of PC ports but since over 95% of console & PC games are made on windows based PC's then it just stands to reason that the 360 will be the easiest to program for.
Not to mention since developers are so used to developing on PC architecture, it's already been said that the 360 has not been all that different in the time of the development process because of the very similar development hardware. This is where the PS3 really loses ground against the 360, even the Wii because the Wii's architecture is not to different from the older gamecube so developers are only forced to adjust to the different Wii control scheme.
However it has been said since the PS3's dev kit's release to developers that it is one of the hardest pieces of hardware to program for in this generation.
To this day their is proof of that just look at the HD resolution or the framerate in comparison to an identical 360 release title such as a Madden or Tiger Woods title each with no more than a 30fps framerate to the 360's 60fps and the HD resolution is only in 720p at the most to the 360's 1080i or 1080p, oh and paintballer don't give me that crap that the 360 has been out longer because the release titles of the 360 were running at 60fps and displayed in 1080i or 1080p from launch day, but not the PS3, why ? because the over priced under achiever is too damn hard to develop for and anyone you ask at a game store or development house will tell you that.
So maybe you'd better just use it to watch movies because no developer seems to be able to want to bother cracking the so called hidden power of the cell processor.

paintba||er · 09-23-2007, 03:33 AM

Umm......the 360 uses Power PC processors......Windows doesn't run (natively) on PPCs......so that means that this whole thread is pretty much false.....and the Cell is very similar to the PPC architecture. Do you realize that MS bought a shitload of Macs (when they used PPC processors) for 360 development in the earlier stages? The games look better on the 360 because they were designed for the 360 and ported to the PS3, and because they have had more experience with the 360. You say that the 360 versions were in 1080i compared the the PS3's 720p, but that is generally a bad thing in games. 1080i has slightly more detail, but 720p is generally better for gaming or other things with lots of motion. Obviously you are wrong about the 360 having games in 1080p since launch because the 360 wasn't even capable of 1080p until an update that was issued a while after release. Also like I mentioned in the other thread, it seems that some guy that was pissed because Sony fired him is the one that spread everything about it being hard to program for. While I don't doubt that it is harder to program for since things that are more powerful generally are, it seems that it has been largely exaggerated. I can't say anything for sure since I haven't ever programmed something for a game console though. Another thing I found funny is that you said "ask at a game store" but WTF does that matter? Do you think they actually know anything? They aren't programmers or anything, they are just average people no different than someone that would work at Walmart.

PS: Windows sucks.

macmutt · 09-23-2007, 03:51 AM

We agree windows does suck, but gamestore managers such as my friend in my local store attend various conferences throughout the year and aside from gamestore owners and managers their are also game developers at those conferences who pick the brain of the game store managers and retailers about consoles sales and the store owners and managers pick the developers brains about the difficulty of programming for which system in order to have an idea of the quanities to order and stock of each console in their store.
This is straight out of my friend the gamestore manager's mouth, as for the technincal aspects of the hardware and what was running at what framerate and displaying at which resolution when is not important, the fact is to this day nearly a year later the PS3 is still not operating at peak efficiency but the 360 is and each new 360 title thats released looks even better than the last for example each new sport title, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4 it just keeps getting better, and that's all that really matters.

paintba||er · 09-23-2007, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by macmutt

We agree windows does suck, but gamestore managers such as my friend in my local store attend various conferences throughout the year and aside from gamestore owners and managers their are also game developers at those conferences who pick the brain of the game store managers and retailers about consoles sales and the store owners and managers pick the developers brains about the difficulty of programming for which system in order to have an idea of the quanities to order and stock of each console in their store.
This is straight out of my friend the gamestore manager's mouth, as for the technincal aspects of the hardware and what was running at what framerate and displaying at which resolution when is not important, the fact is to this day nearly a year later the PS3 is still not operating at peak efficiency but the 360 is and each new 360 title thats released looks even better than the last for example each new sport title, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4 it just keeps getting better, and that's all that really matters.

There are also games that look better on the PS3 though. Have you ever played Oblivion or The Darkness?

macmutt · 09-23-2007, 04:14 AM

Yes i have played oblivion on PS3 and i honestly didn't notice a graphical difference, i noticed faster load times and no lagging while running, but Fight Night round 3 was the only major graphical difference i've seen over the 360 version, but then again it did come out a year after the 360 version so E.A. had alot longer to tweak it.
So who knows i guess it's all the individuals perspective on things.
There are so few exclusives left between the Microsoft and Sony consoles and such minor graphical differences i'm beginning to think it doesn't matter which one you own because both of them will have nearly identical game libraries in a year or two. So if it's it worth it for you to have those handful of PS3 and 360 exclusives and to watch your blu-ray flicks on your PS3 than go ahead and enjoy.
As for me i'm sticking with the 360 for a while, and since i don't watch movies on game consoles, i really don't think it's worth another $600.00 for a mere handful of exclusives i'll be happy with what i got.

paintba||er · 09-23-2007, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by macmutt

Yes i have played oblivion on PS3 and i honestly didn't notice a graphical difference, i noticed faster load times and no lagging while running, but Fight Night round 3 was the only major graphical difference i've seen over the 360 version, but then again it did come out a year after the 360 version so E.A. had alot longer to tweak it.
So who knows i guess it's all the individuals perspective on things.
There are so few exclusives left between the Microsoft and Sony consoles and such minor graphical differences i'm beginning to think it doesn't matter which one you own because both of them will have nearly identical game libraries in a year or two. So if it's it worth it for you to have those handful of PS3 and 360 exclusives and to watch your blu-ray flicks on your PS3 than go ahead and enjoy.
As for me i'm sticking with the 360 for a while, and since i don't watch movies on game consoles, i really don't think it's worth another $600.00 for a mere handful of exclusives i'll be happy with what i got.

Really? I thought Oblivion looked much better on the PS3....but I thought that Fight Night looked much better on the 360 too..... 0_o

I think it is definitely worth a purchase just for the exclusives since the exclusives (on both consoles) are usually the best ones. I don't think I could live without Final Fantasy anyway.

Carmine457 · 09-23-2007, 04:38 AM

hehe this thread is so boring i didnt even bother to read the thing just wanted to post

paintba||er · 09-23-2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmine457

hehe this thread is so boring i didnt even bother to read the thing just wanted to post

Dammit, I made a thread for that, use it.

macmutt · 09-23-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by paintba||er

Really? I thought Oblivion looked much better on the PS3....but I thought that Fight Night looked much better on the 360 too..... 0_o

I think it is definitely worth a purchase just for the exclusives since the exclusives (on both consoles) are usually the best ones. I don't think I could live without Final Fantasy anyway.

I will admit that i was a Sony fan long before i owned my first Xbox and i still am, and their are certain exclusives that i'll find very hard to live without such as, God of War 3, Ratchet & Clank, Gran Turismo HD, Killzone 2, Twisted Metal, Metal Gear 4, Champions of Norrath and i'm sure there are a few others i'm forgetting but you get my point, because Microsoft has it's own exclusives as well, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Too Human, Gears of War and so on.
Who knows if i ever get the money some day, maybe i'll get a PS3 in addition to my 360, but having already owned a Wii i can safely say i won't be buying one ever again, the Wii i can definetley live without.

TTR Dr Payne · 09-24-2007, 02:42 AM

paintballer, i playtest games for EA (i actually just got back 30 mins ago from testing NFS Pro Street again) and we asked the guys at EA what system do u develop on first?(didnt ask today, this was last week) They said the 360, because the PS3 is stupidly hard to develop for, so we just develop the games on the 360, port them over to the PS3, and then downgrade them and put them on the Wii, PS2, and XBOX.(this isnt just NFS, this is every single EA game)
So its not just some BS that a pissed of Sony employed said, its the honest truth. I have first hand proof from a person at EA.

Some games do look better on the PS3, but atm, the majority of multiplatform titles look better and run smoother on the 360. Fight Night Round 3 so far has been known as the biggest difference between 360 and PS3, the general conclusion between reviewers is the PS3 version looks better(which i agree with, it does look much better. It doesnt change the fact i dont like the game lol)

I think its on GameSpot, not sure, might be IGN, cant remember, but whichever it is they occasionally do a really good comparision review. They have practically identicle in game screenshots of multiplatform games, the main one is 360(or PS3) and then you move your mouse over it and it shows the PS3(or 360) version. Its a fantastic comparision. The reviewer also does a write up about it, but i prefer to just look at the shots and make my own decision on which i like more. I dont want to find it right now, but maby another time if somebody else doesnt link it first i will find it and post a link to at least one of the comparisons.

macmutt · 09-24-2007, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TTR Dr Payne

paintballer, i playtest games for EA (i actually just got back 30 mins ago from testing NFS Pro Street again) and we asked the guys at EA what system do u develop on first?(didnt ask today, this was last week) They said the 360, because the PS3 is stupidly hard to develop for, so we just develop the games on the 360, port them over to the PS3, and then downgrade them and put them on the Wii, PS2, and XBOX.(this isnt just NFS, this is every single EA game)
So its not just some BS that a pissed of Sony employed said, its the honest truth. I have first hand proof from a person at EA.

Some games do look better on the PS3, but atm, the majority of multiplatform titles look better and run smoother on the 360. Fight Night Round 3 so far has been known as the biggest difference between 360 and PS3, the general conclusion between reviewers is the PS3 version looks better(which i agree with, it does look much better. It doesnt change the fact i dont like the game lol)

I think its on GameSpot, not sure, might be IGN, cant remember, but whichever it is they occasionally do a really good comparision review. They have practically identicle in game screenshots of multiplatform games, the main one is 360(or PS3) and then you move your mouse over it and it shows the PS3(or 360) version. Its a fantastic comparision. The reviewer also does a write up about it, but i prefer to just look at the shots and make my own decision on which i like more. I dont want to find it right now, but maby another time if somebody else doesnt link it first i will find it and post a link to at least one of the comparisons.

Thank you dude i've been trying to tell Paintballer that ALOT of developers considered the PS3 the worse system to develop for, but he was insisting it was this one lone guy, who was a former employee that got burned or something by sony, which may be true but that guy is not alone by any means.
Yeah but you'll see he'll come up with some kind of rational explanation and either he won't believe that you just came from EA testing games and asked them or something, i don't know but Paintballer says he owns all three consoles but for some reason he really goes out of his way to defend the PS3, which just makes me think thats the only system he owns or thats the one he loves the most, one or the other.
I'm just glad someone else repeated what i've been saying that PS3 is way over priced and much too hard to develop for.

TTR Dr Payne · 09-24-2007, 03:31 AM

yea paintballer does infact own all 3(ive never seen proof but him saying he does is enough proof for me. I believe it.) He is a huge PS3 fanboy, he constantly denies he is, but he just can see he is. He says he likes all 3 consoles, which again i do believe, im sure he does, but that doesnt change the fact hes a PS3 fanboy. Just because he owns the other consoles doesnt change the fact hes a PS3 fanboy.